Tubewhore ([info]tubewhore) wrote,
@ 2008-01-16 14:28:00
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Littlehampton, and forward to a gleaming future...
Sunday morning, heading back to London from Brighton - well, Lancing to be precise about it - was marred by engineering works.  What took 45 minutes on Friday night, took well over two hours to crawl back into town.  iPod dies somewhere around Haywards Heath.  Changing at Littlehampton I have twenty minutes to wait, so  wander a deserted town.  Not even a newsagent open...houses opposite the platform painted cheery sugared almond colours.    



Eventually crawling into Victoria discover that most of the Victoria line is closed for essential engineering so what was to be a simple 10 minute journey up to see the new St Pancras station becomes a battle through heavy crowds back to South Kensington on the District (also with some closures) and up the Piccadilly.  The Victoria was created to increase capacity back in the 70s, which is why it interchanges with so many other lines, and even though it is early afternoon on a Sunday, the underground is heaving as I  wade through the tide of humanity to pop out at Kings Cross. 

OK, St Pancras isn't strictly a tube station, but I'm nosey so see how it's changed.

Despite the journey to St Pancras being frustrating, once I'm there the interchange from Underground to Mainline station is a breeze.  I am happily surprised as I remember it being a struggle over busy road junctions overland rather than gentle passage through clean, well lit corridors to emerge into the new station itself.  Plenty of better writers than myself have waxed lyrical over the redevelopment at St Pancras, and indeed it is lovely - warm brickwork  and clean masonry against sparkling plate glass to front cute little shops and eating places, freshly painted spandrels of Victorian ironwork, and the over-arching, grand vaulted ceiling to frame a cathedral space dedicated to the adventure of travel.  After poor, drab and functional Clapham Junction this really is about the romance of trains. Upstairs people sit in the brown leather banquettes of the champagne bar flanking the carriages of the Eurostar.  I am envious...   



The John Betjeman statue:



I really should make an effort to actually read some Betjeman.  I have simply no idea of whether he's my sort of poet or not, but as he wrote on trains and Metroland a great deal, I keep brushing against him on this project. This stirs up childhood feelings of reluctance which may turn out to be completely unfounded. Growing up in Cornwall, and especially Wadebridge, home to the Betjeman Centre housed in the old railway shed, school tried to force feed him to you, and like any contrary child being offered things adults have decided are good for them, I would petulantly refuse to be interested.  

I discover

[info]failing_angel in the pub and we take more pictures.  Unlike the Betjeman statue, I find The Meeting Point to be Bad Art.  It's ugly.  I don't like the scale and find it clumsy.  Close to all you see are arses and ankles, and there's always the temptation to stare up her skirt...but I suppose it fulfils its function it being easy to spot.  But then so is a big red arrow pointing to an 'x' on the floor  and I think that would equally aesthetically sound. 

 

 




Trains to all corners of Europe wait to leave.  Sadly our destination for the day is much more prosaic and we dive back into the rush of people travelling on the Piccadilly to meet up with 

[info]midnightxpress and the [info]tubewalkersat Cockfosters

 



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[info]spangle_kitten
2008-01-16 04:07 pm UTC (link)
The "meeting point"...That is one utterly ugly statue, hideous! It makes her bum look all weird.

What's wrong with "under the big clock" it's where I've always met people.

St Pancras has always been my most romantic association station, I remember coming for the first time to London from Leicester and just gazing in awe at the size of it all, then later in life when I was coming to London on trips with friends and always coming into St Pancras, when I got into the London goth scene arriving and changing from my work gear into mega goth gear in the photo booth on the station and emerging like Superman...meeting friends under the clock, all very Victorian and dreamlike with the steam, ok diesel fumes, blowing your skirt up...

I'm less inclined to remember the toilets with the hypodermic needle disposal buckets but at least there was a sense of hygiene for those who used to live there :-/

I think I will finally make sure I get to see the new look station this weekend!

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[info]tubewhore
2008-01-16 04:44 pm UTC (link)
yup - there's something very unpleasant about the taughtness of fabric across both their backsides...

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[info]deerfold
2008-01-16 04:53 pm UTC (link)
PVC? Latex? ;)

Is this statue obvious or do I walk around in a dreamworld. I've been to/through St Pancras 3 tiomes since it opened and not seen it. *ahem*

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[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 10:34 am UTC (link)
it's upstairs...near the clock...it's bloody HUGE! As you can see from my five foot eight frame standing next to the plinth...

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[info]artnouveauho
2008-01-16 11:23 pm UTC (link)
Neither Meeting Point Guy nor Meeting Point Girl appear to be wearing underwear. No wonder they're so glad to see each other.

Meanwhile, a solitary Betjeman stares upwards at their passionate embrace. "Damn you, Meeting Point Girl! Damn you for a whore! We could have had something special... a marriage of true minds, a love of joined souls... But no, you had to remove your underwear for the manly embrace of that piece of vapid beefcake, Meeting Point Guy! Damn yoooooouuuuuuu"

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[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 10:35 am UTC (link)
As I said, it's hard to resist the urge to look up her skirt. Especially if you are meeting someone at the meeting point, as close by you are dwarfed by the scale of the bloody thing.

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Tweed on her well-knit torso, silk on each big strong leg...
[info]augeas
2008-01-16 06:31 pm UTC (link)
 "I could see you in a Sussex teashop,
Dressed in peasant weave and brogues,
Turning over, as firelight shone on brass-ware,
Last year's tea-stained Vogues."

You could always listen to Betjeman instead. I grew up on my parents' copies of "Banana Blush" and "Late-Flowering Lust", in which he reads his work to a suprisingly good approximation to music. Apparently they're rather cultish now, and there are some cheap re-issues out. I'd say that LFL has the edge for twisted filth, but I wouldn't want to be without "Agricultural Caress" or "Lenten Thoughts of a Sub-altern". Someone's left a rather illegitimate copy of "A Shropshire Lad" lying around. I've got mp3s from my folks' somewhat scratchy vinyl, it would be very wrong of me to disseminate them...

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Re: Tweed on her well-knit torso, silk on each big strong leg...
[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 10:43 am UTC (link)
I like the idea of a recording of scratchy vinyl from your parent's copy...something about having a recording of that specific record, the exact one that you listened to, with the pops and crackles inherent to that individual piece of vinyl is appealing - but then maybe I've been reading about Conelia Parker's work too much, and playing with the changes in an image of multiple passes through a photocopier and how the image changes on reproduction. Maybe someone should conviscate my copy of John Berger's Seeing Things and not let me read art crit...I see you a Betjeman and raise you a Benjamin

...but yes of course, even in the name of art it would be very wrong indeed to make a copy...

If current plans come to fruition I should be collecting Uxbridge in early July.

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Re: Tweed on her well-knit torso, silk on each big strong leg...
[info]augeas
2008-01-17 01:30 pm UTC (link)
Ironically, I'm now closer to Clapham... I could specifically not post certain abscences of things the old-fashioned way I suppose.

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Re: Tweed on her well-knit torso, silk on each big strong leg...
[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 01:45 pm UTC (link)
Indeed. I would be completely offended to receive such illegally manufactured things in the mail. In fact I will not tell you what my Cornish address is if you don't already have it, just to make sure such things could never arrive.

Well, if you're closer to Clpham, I've now changed plans to come up on the first weekend of February to see the Sewing Machine Museum at Tooting and hopefully mop up the bottom end of the Northern...I don't have Clapham South yet, or stations past Tooting Bec.

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[info]jamesb
2008-01-17 07:00 am UTC (link)
I like her bum ankle and calves.

sorry.

J

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Callipigious discusion
[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 10:49 am UTC (link)
no need to be sorry...

You are of course perfectly allowed to have an opinion as long as you can justify it through logical debate. On the other hand I have an art history degree from Goldsmith so have several years worth of training that qualifies me to say it's a big pile of crap!

Take all the above as said with a cheeky grin...nothing wrong in art celebrating a nice arse

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[info]jamesb
2008-01-17 12:58 pm UTC (link)
ah-ha Goldsmith College, I see, the anti is upped.
and a degree...

Well as a connoisseur of fine ladies for over fifteen years, and of course being genetically built to immediately recognise these things (along with Bra peep and Knocker elastic) I would counter that I am not so much looking at the art, as the aesthetic value of the beauty of a woman, albeit a bit metallic.

I consider myself the expert of the well turned heel, having spent years studying hosiery, heels and fine skirts as a hobby.

I await the day I will be allowed to gain a learning in the Hobbyplace qualification, in the appreciation of all things girlie, on girls.

But you may be right about art, Like I don't think Mona Lisa is a craker at all, so I understand that it is a different eye observing.

Cheeky grin - snap

J

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Re: Callipigious discusion
[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 01:27 pm UTC (link)
I'll take the Mona Lisa over any of Picasso's women though...but for representation of skin I much prefer Ingres, or any of the Pre-Raphelites. For decorative quality I'll plump for Klimt and for clothes porn I love Tissot (lot of Victorian frills).

If you want to prove you're nothing more than a dilettante dabbler I expect graphs and charts and a list of published papers detailing your studies!

Do you know the difference between a cuban heel, RFT and fully fashioned stockings for example?

(Here's a good crib sheet on the different types or you:http://www.whatkatiedid.com/fes_php/fes_usr_sto_multi_product_display.php?fes_action=DisplayProducts&fes_pty_id=2&fes_stp_key=Default )

I admit, it's getting harder to do proper anthropological studies of proper hosiery in the wild these days.

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[info]jamesb
2008-01-17 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Cuban Heel, RFT and Fully Fashioned, hmmmm

I shall not look at a CRIB sheet - pah...

To be honest, for Girls its hard to beat Brian Bolland, Bruce Timm and Glenn Fabry, but I am afraid I am not a Klimt and Tissot fan, although that suddenly sounds very rude. How did you do that, so I defer to your better knowledge.

Graphs, I think not, surely you would prefer a swatch book, to ensure tactile interaction...

well Cuban Heel is a reference to the stitching at the heel, it is much misused, referring usually to the method of folding back the stitching, but there are a number of styles or shapes to the the point in the stitching where the heel tapers into the seem, so a square style is Cuban, where as a point is a French heel and the Manhattan heel which is a total different type of knit. Uk Stockings were usually French in style.

Fully-fashioned Stockings are manufactured flat, like a piece of material. RHT and Modern stockings are manufactured as a tube. The stocking is then stitched from the toe to the top or welt and is finished off at the hole in the back of the top welt. The hole is am integral part of a fully-fashioned stocking. If the hole is not there it is not a fully-fashioned stocking. This is why a stocking with a seam is sometimes mistaken for
fully-fashioned, which it is not. It's just a stocking which has had a seam (for fashion or appearance purposes) stitched in. Also fully-fashioned stockings are knitted to the natural contours of a leg - narrow at the ankle wider at the calf narrower again at the knee and then widening to the top.

They have a special sizing all of their own. No XL here.


Now I have written a 4,206 word article on the history of nylons, I had it published in a Fanzine, here in London, called Foundation and Empire, edited by a lady called Flick. I must admit I sought some assistance from a gentleman who worked in the Lingerie and hosiery Business for some years.

Does that qualify as a published paper?

dabbler eh.

Elbeo, Wolford, Aristoc I know thee well...

James

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[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 04:04 pm UTC (link)
ah, a man who knows about the fabled Aristoc knitting machines and folded welts! Hurrah for such things!!! I have some rather fantastic (albeit fake) contrast striped Cuban heels on their way from the US. I do have a small and precious collection of vintage fully fashioned stockings (including 50's Dior ones)that are for special occasion wear - they are fragile so you only tend to get one wear before they go, but it's better they die in a blaze of glory on a marvellous adventure than moulder in a dark trunk somewhere.

And if I can name drop horribly, Glenn Fabry once proposed marriage to me, but he was very drunk at the time. However a young man at the same gathering said something very rude that you don't say to a lady you've only just met, and Glenn was so disgusted with said chap that he dropped him down a staircase to teach him some manners. I have some very nice Slaine drawing he did me that I really must get framed.

I've been told I like more like I was drawn by Ian Gibson...it's the arse, y'know... I love Tissot for the clothes and Klimpt for the decorative excess.

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[info]jamesb
2008-01-20 02:57 pm UTC (link)
hmm 50's dior, that's impressive.

Glenn is cool, he was a GOH at a con myself and my mate ran, super bloke.

and you frame comic art, gosh.

and drawn by Mr. G, haven't met him yet, would like to for a beer and a halo jones sketch.

can we see the sketch?

J

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[info]tubewhore
2008-01-20 03:44 pm UTC (link)
Of course I frame it...it's art!

I actually need to sell a pile of it - mostly the Adrian Salmon pages from Dr Who magazine...and other stuff I really need to get framed like the Slaine and a gorgeous 'V' David Lloyd sent me...sadly the Slaine is in silver ink on white paper so it doesn't photograph well at all...

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[info]jamesb
2008-01-20 04:02 pm UTC (link)
Ok Ok OK

hold on... what I mean is, you have 50's Dior Nylons, and know RHT, you like tube trains and railway stuff and you also frame comic art. that's awesome.

Of course its art, and adorns many of my walls.

I am sure ebay bekons.

J

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[info]pvcdiva
2008-01-20 04:06 pm UTC (link)
I'm also into science fiction, make my own corsets and love old Hammer movies...natural born freak, that's me...interests many and varied and not that usual for a girl...

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[info]jamesb
2008-01-25 05:44 pm UTC (link)
freak or princess..

J

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Re: Callipigious discusion
(Anonymous)
2008-05-09 08:04 am UTC (link)
Sizing of FF-Nylons: there is XL-size today, please have a look www.giostockings.com ;-)

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[info]jim_revelator_1
2008-01-17 04:15 pm UTC (link)
I really like the colour arrangements of those houses at Littlehampton (couldn't care less about about the "meeting point" statue, to be honst).

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[info]tubewhore
2008-01-17 05:12 pm UTC (link)
there was one just out of shot that was a particularly nice shade of violet as well...the repetition of same but different would work well for a textile print design

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[info]rhythmaning
2008-01-18 10:20 pm UTC (link)
I intended to go to St Pancras when i was in London between Christmas and New Year, but I think I stayed in bed instead. I must make the effort when I am next there.

I couldn't help thinking the Victoria line should have been rechristened not-Victoria instead. Or perhaps Albert? Just whilst Vicky was closed.

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